Episode 18 - Unapologetically For Each Other with The Christenson Women
I know Eileen Christenson, and her daughters Elle, Taylor, and Reilly, from our time living in Spokane, WA, and have always admired how they interact with and support each other, so it was my great honor when they agreed to be part of this relationship series we are doing on the F.E.E.L Podcast right now. Eileen and her husband Jeff raised these women in a home where doing your best, being kind to others and each other as sisters was the narrative, with no toxic masculinity displayed by Jeff, and no gendered narratives being the messaging to the daughters. They never heard that there were any limitations or “girl” expectations, only to go for your dreams, and to go for all the things that you feel drawn to. This created a safe space to feel, love, and explore without concern for being judged or having imposed on them any unrealistic, unfair expectations. This landscape grew into 3 grown women that have healthy relationships, love and respect each other fiercely, and have a warm, affirming, loving appreciation of their parents and the environment they created and continue to foster with each other and all of their daughters and their partners. We talk about Boundaries, and the role that’s played in this unique time of working from home with their partners in some cases, as well as Reilly being on the front lines as a new nurse, and Elle is now back in the classroom after teaching remotely for more than a year. Elle sums up healthy boundaries really well when she points out something she’s learned from her husband Tony that a boundary is “my time, I’m going to decide how and who to give it to”. We have a great discussion on the importance of normalizing mental health therapy, and how the stigma from the Eileen and I’s generation to our daughters’ generation has changed, and is becoming a more accepted form of holistic healthiness. The sisters discuss how thankful they are for the healthy sister dynamic they had growing up and how they are now learning to adjust to the changes in being adult sisters now, and being aware of each other’s emotional health and how to show up for each other in that space. We talk about what Elle is seeing in the classroom with 7-8 year olds already being told narratives of what is and is not acceptable emotionally to feel and display, and how she’s working to create an environment where learning to manage and feel big emotions is safe and encouraged, no matter what gender you are. She has also adopted a “connecting before correcting” mindset to ensure she’s not just shutting down a child’s behavioral response before trying to connect and understand where it’s coming from and how that child needs to feel and/or process what's happening. Taylor discusses how the culture teaches us to compare ourselves to each other as women and sisters, but that in her household she always felt loved and accepted, and how thankful she was for that safe space as she dealt with not comparing herself to them or anyone. Eileen discusses how they never had teenage or women’s magazines or media in their home that promoted this comparison, unrealistic prototype or expectation, so that their daughters would never feel that unhealthy pressure in their home, knowing how prevalent it is in the world outside those doors. We talk about because of always being taught to root for each other as women, all 3 daughters feel more naturally inclined to root for other women in general, but how trust has to be built amongst each other in the workplace for that to really happen in an authentic, healthy way. Reilly discusses as a youngest daughter and sister, how it was both challenging and helpful coming up behind 2 olders sisters; how there was a natural path laid out, but also how much teachers would comment and compare her to her older sisters, and learning to navigate that as she was figuring out who she was as a person. She talks about the safe space her sisters and parents created as she learned to work through relationships that weren’t always in her best interest, but that she always felt supported that she would figure that out. We talk about expectations others have and how they are only valued if they align with what works for you and feels right for you and your values. We talk about all of our layers and accepting all the colors in ourselves, and being ok with changes in self and others as we go through different seasons. And maybe my favorite part of this conversation was discussing everyone’s willingness to chart their own paths, not based on the degree they got and sticking to that expectation, but finding the thing that most aligns with what they care about and speaks to who they want to be in the world. This was another rich, wise, authentic intuitive conversation that I am so excited to share with you all. I hope you’ll join me in getting to learn from these wonderful Christenson Women :)
Episode 17 - The Value of Friends with Kristen Hovde Miller, Amy Stuart VanderMaas, and Stephanie Fels Stout
These friends have been journeying through life with me for between 30 - 43 years so we’ve covered a lot of ground together, from bonding over favorite childhood musicals, to navigating the loss of parents, to walking through raising kids to navigating challenging family relationships. There isn’t much we haven’t been through or seen. We’ve laughed, cried, been in each other’s weddings, and shared so much. I feel so fortunate that we’re all willing to put in the time to ensure these relationships continue, even as we live in different time zones across several different states.
I know that I can pick up the phone any time day or night, and these ladies will show up for me and I for them. These relationships are one of the most important things in my life and I cannot imagine doing these trips around the sun without them.
We cover a lot of ground in this episode, and could probably do a lot of spin-offs from many of the topics we touch on.
We talk about boundaries with in-laws, siblings, children, parents, and friends. We talk about how we’ve evolved into knowing the difference between healthy and toxic relationships, and that it’s ok to let the toxic ones go. We don’t have to like or get along with everyone. It’s ok to just be respectful and not feel guilty for the people we just don’t click with.
We talk about health challenges (mental and physical) that have sometimes forced us into boundaries we weren’t planning on, and how we’ve learned to make friends with that rather than resent it. We talk about the importance of self care, and addressing how emotional health affects physical health, and putting ourselves and this care first is not selfish, but necessary. We watched our Moms not always make room for this, and knew that’s not a pattern we wanted to continue.
We talk about the importance of our friendships with each other and the ones right where we live , and the necessity they are to us for our own well being. We talk about the importance of modeling this good healthy behavior so that hopefully our children will learn from that and do it even better and sooner in their own lives.
We talk about releasing the responsibility we sometimes feel to fix or repair things for people in our lives, understanding that it’s not ours to carry, but how challenging that has been for us to release.
We talk about the value of coming to know our own worth, to live that out unapologetically, and supporting and lifting other women up as we do this.
We talk about what the transition into the “empty nest” phase of life looks like and will look like, how that changes our “why”, and what finding those other layers of ourselves are that maybe we haven’t met or acknowledged yet.
We talk about the importance of dating our partners through the child raising years, and how their support has encouraged us and continues to support us in being the best, healthiest versions of ourselves, and how fortunate we feel to have those kinds of relationships with them.
We talk about the importance of communicating expectations to people in our lives, instead of assuming they know, and then being disappointed if we don’t meet each other’s uncommunicated, sometimes unfair or unrealistic expectations. Brave conversations about these expectations and differences is the only real way to authentic healing instead of unrealized, unfair expectations and disappointment. We talk about being ok with the fact that sometimes when you communicate boundaries and/or expectations, those we’re sharing this with might not understand or like it, but that doesn’t mean we are wrong.
This is another far reaching, authentic, vulnerable conversation about how we’ve walked these things out in our lives, and the importance of continuing to learn and give ourselves grace in the process.
These friends of mine have so much wisdom to offer. I’m so thankful for this opportunity for you to spend a little time with them.
Episode 16 - Boundaries as Guideposts with Sierra & Tim Crook Shenkin
This week we get to spend some time listening and learning with my favorite young married couple, my daughter Sierra and Son in Law Tim.
In this episode we talk about the myriad of adjustments that happen when you are getting used to living with and sharing life with a partner, but it’s more than that. These two have done and are doing such intentional working, thinking, planning, and loving on how they approach their relationship that many couples never get to. So don’t think this episode is only for the 20 & 30 somethings. All couples in all stages can learn & benefit from what Sierra & Tim have to share.
We talk about how they learned the difference between their two definitions of quality/quantity time. We discuss the importance of knowing yourself so you can effectively communicate your needs to your partner, and adjusting to considering your partner when you’re making decisions, setting your schedule, etc.
Sierra & Tim have adapted the word “boundaries” to “guideposts” with the point being instead of saying no you can’t go here with me, to instead being here’s how you can. They talk about how they communicate old wounds to each other so each one can be aware of the tender spots to not poke at, or what might be triggers for them, building more informed communication between them.
We discuss how unprocessed emotions can produce somatic physical pain, and how we must be mindful as partners how our difficulties can be felt by our partners, so how we communicate those things must be done with that in mind.
Tim explains how approaching these things with curiosity rather than fear opens up the opportunity to learn more about yourself and each other, and how they each operate from the stance that they are always for each other and want only the best, even when those attempts fall short.
Sierra talks about that in embracing all the layers of each other, they love all the past, current, and future iterations of themselves & each other.
Sierra & Tim have established 3 values that their relationship and all the decisions they make are based upon. If something does not align with those values, then it is not for them, whether it’s relationships with friends or family, where to live, what job to take, or if they should buy that house. This gives them a like minded foundation and focus to operate from.
We talk about living out of expectations, and how those expectations must align with their values, as well as the people setting those expectations. They make a great point that you can only call something an expectation if it’s been communicated as one. Otherwise, it’s just a hope.
They discuss the fact that life is made up of the good, the bad, the hard, the beautiful all existing at the same time, and that we can feel all of them simultaneously, and that’s ok. Life is not black & white, and emotions and feelings aren’t bad or good, but how we handle and respond to them is what matters.
So many vital, rich, intentional, thought out points and lessons in this episode. Grab your partner, your favorite coffee or drink, and a pen and notebook and join us for this enlightening conversation.
Episode 15 - Accepting the Layered Aspects of Each Other with Melissa & Brady Crook
Welcome to week 1 of the Relationship Series on The F.E.E.L Podcast! This idea came from a few different places, but really rooted in both Megan & Wendy VanStone’s episodes and the emphasis they put on relationships, and not just having them, but prioritizing them and doing them well.
I went back to my team with the idea of a relationship series, and they loved it because it’s right before the holidays when many of us start gathering with family, for better or for worse. What a great time to discuss relationships & what goes into those looking healthy, worthwhile, & the challenges that can come with them.
So here we go! We’ll start off by discussing marriage/relationships, kicking it off with my very own partner, best friend, favorite human, soulmate Brady Crook. We have been together in marriage for over 28 years, and met almost 31 years ago, on February 9, 1991, in the back of a kitchen at a very crowded house party of a mutual friend. We started dating a week later, and knew we loved each other after just a week. We felt connected and known by each other that quickly.
But don’t be fooled by that introduction into thinking it was all that easy. I grew up Mormon and he grew up Catholic. We had both started the walk away from those worlds, but there would be some other bumps along the path that we would have to navigate. We had more people betting against our chances of making it when we got married than we had betting in our favor. But we knew something that none of them did. We loved all the parts of each of us unconditionally and knew we wanted to do our life different than what we came from, better, brighter.
That commitment to each other enabled us to forge a bond that would give us the foundation we needed to survive and move through challenges that most couples don’t survive.
I hope you’ll join us this week to hear about our journey, what we’ve learned and are still learning, and how we’ve gotten to the increasingly healthy space we’re in today.
Episode 14 - Unafraid to Speak Truth with Christy Martinez Garcia
I have the great fortune and blessing of getting to meet and work with some really remarkable women. These people are brave, bold, smart, compassionate, empathetic fueled by their passion to do their part to improve and grow their communities into all they are capable of being. Christy Martinez Garcia is the perfect example of this, and it was such a privilege to get to sit down with her and participate in this real, authentic rich conversation.
Christy is known as a leader in the Hispanic Community, but sees herself as a leader in the whole community, a community she hopes to see become one inclusive, collaborative community and has a heart and passion to be part of that journey.
She is not afraid to speak truth in spaces that don’t want to be made to feel uncomfortable, but understands the importance of doing so with respect without compromising the message.
She gives much of the credit to her being on this journey to those who have mentored her and created spaces at the table for her to be heard, and how important it is to model for our children and younger generations, and not just give lip service.
We talk about the importance of women not apologizing for their knowledge, insight, and value, and not giving resources away freely while others are being compensated for, and sometimes stealing others, similar contributions. We talk about the challenge of balancing family and career aspirations as we strive to be the change we want to see in the world.
We talk about women needing to bring others along with them, and inviting them to the tables they have been included at instead of being possessive of that space and not being willing to share it.
We talk about how collaboration moves the needle so much farther than competition or being threatened by others' success ever will, how there’s so much power in one journey shared by many with a common goal.
We talk about how diversity is so much more than different ethnicities, but also different faiths, ages, sexual and gender identities, and belief systems; how diversity is not just having one token woman, black woman, brown woman, gay man, at your table to meet a quota.
We talk about the importance of supportive relationships and people in your life that are with you and for you every step of the way.
We talk about the importance of boundaries, choosing your battles and where you will expend your energy and not expend your energy, and knowing when it’s time to pass the baton and step away.
Maybe most importantly, we talk about the importance of getting away from the noise and quieting the voices, including our own, so we can clear and rest our mind and soul, to give space to rest and refill so we have the energy and clarity to keep doing the things we are passionate about. Christy has found that space in nature, in the early morning hours in her backyard and garden, and how that time fills her up and fuels her for the day.
Christy talks about how all she does and all that drives her comes first and foremost from her faith, and how this outdoor space in her backyard oasis allows her to tap into that daily.
This is such an important conversation for our time so I passionately hope you’ll take the time to listen this week to my conversation with Christy Martinez Garcia.
Episode 13 - Embrace the Unexpected with Wendy VanStone
Wendy and her husband Eric made a life changing decision 5 years ago to move themselves and their 2 daughters to Saudi Arabia. Their journey in deciding to do this and the experience they are having there is firmly based out of so many of our talking points in this podcast. Their faith, strong foundation, healthy boundaries, living out of their own expectations, and not others, and the ability to go into relationships with open eyes, loving others and accepting and embracing all the layers within those people and cultures, as well as themselves, are all key factors in how they’re experiencing life in this season.
A few key quotes that really stuck out in this episode are:
“We did pray at the very beginning that if this was meant for us that God would open doors, but if not, that they would shut”
“Will we regret not even trying?”
“Learning to just have no expectations, and just be in the moment and embrace that opportunity has been very valuable for her” - Wendy VanStone referring to lessons her oldest daughter is learning in this journey
“When you have expectations, you’re setting yourself up for disappointment” - Wendy VanStone referring to preconceived notions and unrealistic expectations we sometimes try to impose on situations and other people
“Gratitude is huge. Just expressing and being thankful for everything we have is a huge component for that self care and emotional wellbeing”
Wendy is a huge proponent of embracing the journey and living in the moment, and is a lifelong learner. This has opened the door to her being able to see the beauty in the people and situations she encounters. She loves relationships and pouring into others, but knows herself well and sees when she needs to pull back, quiet the noise and refill her cup.Wendy is truly one of the most genuine, welcoming people I know and we talk about how that’s rooted in her early childhood in Puerto Rico with the culture of music, food, and dancing bringing people together in community on a regular basis.Wendy’s heart of gratitude and love for life, incorporated with her grounding faith and knowledge of who she is, come through so clearly in this conversation. You don’t want to miss spending time with this beautiful soul. I hope you’ll take the time to listen and learn from this week’s guest, Wendy VanStone.
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Episode 12: Unapologetic Healthy Relationships with Megan VanStone
Megan VanStone is one of the most creative, hospitable people I know. She values people and relationships in the most authentic way, and surrounds herself with those who are genuinely for her. This kind of an intentional life does not just happen though. In this week’s episode we talk about how she got to this space and the decisions she made along the way to land here.
Megan learned early on that some people value and utilize boundaries more than others, and just because these people don’t see the need for them in the same ways she does, does not mean they are not important and necessary for her own life. Also, you can’t place people’s boundaries for them. It has to be a decision they make for themselves.
We discussed how unhealthy the “superwoman” complex is, and how it’s ok, and important to not apologize for asking for help.
We talked about the value her relationships with other women in her life have, how fulfilling and supportive they are of each other, and how we as women need to stop being so competitive with each other to our detriment, and recognize the value of being for each other.
Megan shares how she arrived in this space of living out of her truest, authentic creative self, how much joy knowing and living out of that “why” has brought her, and the encouragement she received from her husband and other valued voices in her life on getting there.
We discussed the importance of letting go of what others think, letting go of those toxic relationships, and surrounding yourself with people who are truly for you and aren’t afraid to speak truth to you. And to that point, how relationships do take time, commitment, and work, but how worth it, rich, and fulfilling life is when you pour into them.
Megan shares the importance of seeing greatness in yourself and the value in celebrating and calling out when you’ve done something well.
This is such a rich, inviting, encouraging conversation with this beautiful soul, and you are going to want to make time to hear from her. I hope you’ll join us in getting to know Megan VanStone.
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Episode 11: Living Out of Her Expectations, Not the Culture’s, with Kaley Ihfe
Kaley Ihfe wears many hats in her life, but she knew from an early age that she cared about justice, and early as 3rd grade that she cared about poverty. She is very intentional in choosing what she is involved with, knowing not every “good” thing is for her. As a ministry leader and being married to a Pastor that can be tricky to navigate, but Kaley understands the importance of rest and quiet time to just be still, and how that keeps her invigorated and honedink her “why”, and not just doing what the loudest voices suggest.
We talk about how time off during COVID allowed her to take a breath and examine what she really wanted to be committed to, and how she and her husband make time daily for just themselves away from all the noise.
We also touch on the importance and challenge of seeing people as another creation of God, and not the sum total of their opinions or beliefs, because we are all on our own journeys of learning and growth.
Kaley speaks to how the Enneagram helped her learn to name her feelings so she can process them in a healthy way, and the importance of her knowledge that she is loved and worthy for who she is, not what she does.
You don’t want to miss this wide ranging, captivating conversation with my friend Kaley Ihfe. I hope you’ll join us.
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Reflections on my own story - Episode 10 Blog in response to Episode 9 with Stephanie Hunter
When Stephanie and I recorded her episode in early September, she felt inspired to share her whole story as she felt compelled that someone needed to hear it. What she and I did not realize that day was that at least one of those that needed to hear it was me.
My story is not the same as Stephanie’s, but what resonated with me is how exposing the secret abusive life she was living had tremendous holistic health effects that could not be healed until exposing the darkness to the light. My “secret” is only a secret to some, but when I tried to talk to my parents and a trusted church Bishop about it some 32 years ago, I was told by one how disappointed they were, how they wish I’d never told them and how it sullied their view of me, and by the other of all the hoops I had to jump through publically to be deemed clean and worthy again. Furthermore, I would still however have to confess to my future husband some day that he would not be my “first”, and that might make me unacceptable to him. It wasn’t enough to confess to God, and ask for forgiveness. My sin was too dirty for that. I’ve since realized my parents were operating from their own hurts, and I long ago left the Mormon Church. But that doesn’t lessen the damage those words have done to me.
The truth is that no matter the intent, their words and actions cemented my worst fears, that I would be judged and deemed dirty if I exposed this. So, I continued to keep this secret from any Mormon or Christian friend that I feared would think of me similarly as my parents and Bishop.
I was 20 years old when I went to these people, hoping to find consolation, unconditional love, and support as I sorted through a relationship that I knew was a terrible mistake, not for the sexual nature itself, but because of the reasons for the sexual nature and the unhealthy emotional manipulation that was occurring in it. Instead I found condemnation and disappointment, and years of determining who I could trust with this information and who I couldn’t. And keeping a secret of any form brings on feelings of shame and self loathing when you don’t trust it is safe and too shameful to expose it to the light.
This has led to years of never truly forgiving myself for this 3 ½ year period, and a misguided idea of what healthy intimacy should look like. Not to mention anxiety relating to performance for value and codependent relationships.
You see I didn’t land in this relationship without years of being sent the message that I must perform to be loved and accepted….in my family, in the Mormon Church, in what my Christian friends were taught as well. The narrative was that only certain kinds of behavior allowed you to be lovable, and fear was used to keep you away from those “unloveable” behaviors rather than telling you how intrinsically valuable you are as a boy or girl.
That either one is not the boss of or valued more than the other, that God isn’t only Father, but Mother, Sister, Brother, Auntie, anything you need God to be in that moment. After all, both male and female are made in God’s image, so that should be enough to tell us that God is not just Father, but that’s not what we’re taught.
What if we were all taught and modeled how to live out of that intrinsic value so that we feel worth and loved for who we are, not what we do. Then how much better equipped would we be to make relationship decisions based on how much we value ourselves rather than feeling like we must perform a certain way to be acceptable for fear of disappointing and not being worthy.
Purity culture and fear based rhetoric from the pulpit have done a number on generations of women, and is one of the greatest failures of religion and church, along with the different set of “purity” standards/responsibilities heaped on girls with little to none of that responsibility applied to boys. But God help the boys who show any sensitivity or vulnerability. That certainly doesn’t work with the rhetoric this culture is slinging.
This was the training ground for me landing in this unhealthy relationship. The difference between this relationship and others before it was that my performance in previous ones involved “good” deeds (good grades, winning in athletics, singing well, helping family, etc). For this new relationship it involved performing in a way that was deemed “dirty” by the voices around me, but was nevertheless necessary to be acceptable in this relationship.
I had been groomed to be acceptable in relationships, and this was not exposed for the problem that it was until performing “unacceptably” was the requirement.
What someone’s intention is should not be a determinant on whether it did harm. Too many times we don’t do the healing work we need to do because we know the inflictor didn’t mean to. So because we don’t want others to feel bad we talk ourselves into thinking we’re making a big deal out of nothing, and the trauma never gets dealt with and healed, but just continues to harm us. I know that my lack of healing when raising our daughters did damage to them. That was never my intent, but that doesn’t mean it did not occur.
So I’m exposing the secret….I was in a very unhealthy, emotionally and sexually manipulative relationship from age 18-21. The sexual portion was the biggest secret because that’s what I was told would make me “dirty”. Sadly, my culture wasn’t as nearly concerned about the emotionally abusive portion, which was every bit as damaging, if not more. When “patriarchs” are lifted up as “leaders” or “heads” of households, giving power God never intended to one sex over the other, a lot of power manipulations and abuses are “overlooked”. Brady, my husband was not my first sexual experience, and no amount of shame will change that. It doesn't make me less forgivable, less valuable, or less worthy of being unconditionally loved.
I tell this story not only to expose my own “partial” secret, but to hopefully inspire others to do the same. Your whole self cannot heal until it is all exposed to the light, and those relationships that are truly worth having will still be there after the secret is brought to light. People that truly love you want you to be your best, most healed self, and the God I know wants me to be accountable, but never wants me to feel shamed, unworthy, unloveable, or unforgivable.
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Episode 9: Faith and Empowerment in Healing with Stephanie Hunter
Stephanie Hunter is one of those people that lights up a room when she enters it. Her passion for all people, especially children to know their potential and value are palpable. She lives her life out of that passion authentically with an informed, inclusive, faith filled nature. I’ve known this about Stephanie since the day we met, so was not surprised to see this once again come through as we were recording.
What I learned from Stephanie though in this episode is that her journey had a dark chapter during her marriage to a pastor, where she lived one life in the fishbowl like public existence that is the reality of being a ministry spouse, while the actual truth behind the scenes was nothing like the shiny public face. She reveals what that did to her as a person….her mental, physical, and emotional health, and the aftermath of depression, anxiety, and physical sickness once she was able to escape this unhealthy situation.
She shares how her faith brought her out of the brink to a life of passionate self-care, dietary changes, feeding her soul with music and words that light her up, and fighting for all to know their intrinsic value so that they never travel down their own dark road.
Her story is a beautiful one of redemption when one has the courage to take secrets out of the dark and expose them so that your whole body and soul can be healed. Her contagious, authentic positivity as she lives inspired by what she has survived is a story all people should hear and learn from.
Do yourself a favor, and make time for this moving episode with Stephanie Hunter.
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Episode 8: Embracing Rest Fuels Unapologetic Living with Danielle Demetria
I get to meet a ton of inspiring people in my work, and that is how I came to know this young go getter. Danielle moved to Lubbock, TX after college and hit the floor running even as COVID was taking hold. She immediately became a difference maker in this community, all driven by her passion for art, equality, getting and giving the best care needed to live our best lives, no matter the background or neighborhood anyone comes from. Danielle is not the loudest voice in the room, but is consistent and driven by her values.
She’s not afraid to speak truth, and also knows the importance of listening. We touch on so many important topics in this episode, including how she makes self care part of her schedule to ensure it does not get missed. We discuss the stereotypes around black women and men’s responses to challenging situations, and how damaging this is to their health, including the disparities in health care. She shares how dealing with her own female issues led her to wanting to run her own nonprofit versus working for someone else. We also dive into the difference between apologizing for the racial disparities in our country versus getting involved and becoming part of the solution.
So much wisdom from this bright woman. My favorite quote from this episode is “Just Because You’re Alive Doesn’t Mean You’re Living”. Join me in this conversation to hear how Danielle is living hers.
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Episode 7: Embracing Herself and Others Unapologetically with Helen Dorado Alessi
This sit down with my friend Helen Dorado Alessi is so rich and full of wisdom and insight, I hardly know how to begin. I lost track of how many times I stopped the recording when listening back to it, to capture a meaningful thought, quote, nugget of wisdom or resource, that I knew I had to capture.
We cover the full gamete in this episode, including, but not limited to her journey in getting to know herself after realizing the anxiety she felt when left alone with herself; how she learned to effectively self soothe when feeling anxious and nervous; how we need to get back to what we loved to engage in as a child before it was “tamed” out of us by culture (especially little girls); the importance of slowing down and examining a situation before just saying yes to it; how women need to stop leading like men and apologizing for who they are; knowing ourselves, why, and purpose given we’re here on this planet at this time for a reason, and the hope that can give us; that we’re all worthy of that partner who wants to see us fly and see us be who we truly are; forgiving ourselves as we embrace our layers; communicating new boundaries to those we are in relationship with; and that’s just the tip of the iceberg!
I hope you’ll join Helen and I in this engaging, thought provoking, affirming conversation. You will also lose count of how many times you stop the episode to write something down :) .
Don’t miss all of the sources from this episode located on our website in the “Resources” section, as well as in the “Show Notes” with the episode link.
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Episode 6: From People Pleasing to Boundary Setting with Elizabeth Fisher Good
I met Elizabeth Fisher Good in 2015 when I lived in Chicago, through the anti-human trafficking cause group I was working with, as she was establishing the anti-human trafficking organization she confounded, Selah Freedom. Elizabeth is one of those people that commands a presence, and you sense immediately that she’s doing something you want to be a part of.
What I learned about Elizabeth as time went on is that she had her own story to tell. Through unraveling this story, her passion to live her best authentic life, and helping other women do the same, has become as big of a part of her as the life changing work she does in the anti-human trafficking world. Her commitment in the healing work of helping girls who have been trafficked awoke something in her that ignited her desire to walk out her own healing & help others do the same. This was revealed in her book “Groomed” that was released in early 2020, and as she has established “Free With E”.
We discuss her journey through all of this in this episode. Elizabeth talks about what she’s learned about boundaries, emotional & physical health connections, living out of her own expectations, and how she gives her time to people & causes that align with her values and feed her soul in this season she is now in.
There is so much in this conversation about moving from people pleasing, codependency, and taking care of everyone else around us, to a healthier way of living. I can’t wait to share this with the world as we all journey towards living out F.E.E.L.
Don’t miss the show notes or sources on our website where we share about Elizabeth’s latest groundbreaking work through the Selah Way Foundation and the launch of her new program for women “Free with E - A Journey to More”
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Episode 5: Built for Healthy Boundaries with Joy Drake
I have known Joy Drake for over 25 years, as we have moved around the West, raised our families, and navigated life together. She has always been a force who knew her mind, her why for doing things, and has never been dissuaded by others thoughts or opinions, very comfortable living out of her own expectations of and for herself.
None of this was a surprise to me going into recording this episode. However, what became even more clear is that we did not even need talking points for this episode because Joy so clearly lives her daily life naturally out of each of these subjects we discuss. She’s so naturally boundaried, putting her time into relationships and causes that fit seamlessly into the why’s and expectations that drive her in all that she pursues. This goes for her long term pursuits as well as the new ones she’s going after in the last year.
Women, and for that matter people of all ages, can learn so much from Joy and how she navigates her life and lives out what aligns with her heart and hope for this world and the people in it.
Join us for this empowering conversation on how to live your life by your standards, hopes, dreams, and embracing all the parts and layers that make us each who we are.
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Episode 4: Healthy Boundaries & Living Out of My own Expectations with Abby Bekele
I first met Abby the Spring of her freshman year at Guilford College in Greensboro, North Carolina. She was one of my middle daughter Kylee’s original first friends in college, and they have remained close as roommates and friends over the last 5 years. I have literally watched Abby grow up through this time, and am so thankful for the friend she has been to Kylee, and how she has been willing to come on board this podcast journey with me and do things that I would have had no idea how to do without her help and expertise.
Abby has always been a loyal, kind, honest friend, but where I am seeing her grow the most that gives me great joy is in her finding her voice to talk about the important social issues that black young women face every day in this country in their social, athletic, and works spaces, as well as finding her own voice in setting boundaries in relationships and learning how to not give everything without also receiving what she is worthy of in her relationships. Abby is a big giver, so this has been a journey as she finds her voice and learns to live out of the expectations she has set for herself, not the ones that others around her have set for her.
We talk about navigating cultural expectations within her family as well as the expectations the world has put upon her, and not allowing those to override her why, her healthy boundaries, and expectations she has set for her life.
I have loved and continue to love watching her grow into this confident, spokesperson for her own life and the stories of others that she shares through her work, and her willingness to stay with it, knowing growth, learning, and change is a process, but that she is worth fighting for to be the best self she can possibly be for her and for the world.
I know you will feel inspired and encouraged as Abby shares all she’s learning and navigating in this episode. I hope you’ll join us, and realize you are worth fighting for too.
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Episode 3: Your Monthly Cycle Can Be Your Friend with Valencia Saint-Louis
I knew going into this Episode that it would be fun to do because of all the growth I’ve gotten to witness in Valencia the last almost 3 years I have known her.
I’ve watched her do the hard work of moving from people pleasing to living out of her own expectations & not others; of what it means to establish & communicate healthy boundaries in relationships, work, and making meaningful time for rest and self care. I was very excited to listen to her share about this journey.
I also knew we were going to talk about her brand that she’s launching, which will include a podcast and blog of its own. I knew she had connected the dots on how emotional & physical healthcare tied together. What I did not fully understand was all the research she had put into it, and how much knowledge she has generated about women’s cycles each month and how we can better understand how they work and how we can navigate them in such a helpful, meaningful, nourishing way. Ladies, if we truly take what she’s learned and apply it, it will change lives for good in a way most of us did not know was possible. It will change the way you think about, talk about, and approach and experience your cycle, hormones, and beyond.
This is a must listen for us all and I’m so pleased to get to share it with you.
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Episode 2: Meet the Crooks
My biggest concern going into this episode was that with so many people involved, could we still make it sound like a conversation that we would organically have around the table at dinner, sipping coffee, or just hanging out on the deck somewhere; AND would the length be an issue, given all involved, and that we all have our own unique stories and perspectives to share?
Following the recording I listened to the raw, unedited version a couple of times to assess these concerns, and came away very happy with how conversational and natural it felt, as well as how raw, vulnerable, and honest we all were, while still laughing and being our authentic selves throughout. My main thought was how is Valencia going to edit this because there’s so much good content? I don’t want much of anything cut, other than some transitional space here and there. But that’s why Valencia is the editor and producer and I am not :).
Later that week Valencia and I were catching up and she let me know that she was about 45 minutes into the episode and remarked on how conversational we sounded, what a good intent listener Brady is, how clear it was how much our daughters love and support each other and us, and that it did not feel long at all because of the quality of the conversation. I was very happy to hear that from an unbiased listener, who has not seen our family interact before; that she was able to pick up on that. I was still concerned however, that she was going to have difficulty editing it down to a reasonable time frame, but she came back and answered that question a couple of days later by recommending we split it into 2 episodes. That way we don’t cut good content, and the episodes are each a reasonable amount of time. Again, that’s why she’s the editor and producer :).
Needless to say, I’m really excited for these episodes to be shared with the world. There’s a ton of great nuggets and it will really give you an inside look at us, and how I got on this journey I’m on with this podcast.
I hope you love it as much as I do :)
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Episode 1: Emotional Health & Physical Health Connection to our Overall Wellbeing with Melissa Crook
Recording episode 1 and putting this out to the world is feeling very freeing to me. I am excited to introduce this content to the world because I believe that we as women need to feel the freedom to have these discussions, and remove the taboo around these topics. I want younger generations to learn from this, and create an awareness in their holistic health that helps them avoid the pitfalls that I ran into, and I want women my age and older to be empowered to deal with these areas of their life in a healthy authentic vulnerable way so we can all be living our best lives, not feeling guilty or selfish for prioritizing our well being.
As I have re-examined what living my healthiest life looks like, I am also excited to introduce listeners to people who are doing this themselves in their own unique ways, and continuing to evolve and learn as they’re doing it. I hope this offers some ideas and inspiration to listeners and also assists everyone in understanding that we are all continuing to learn and evolve, what our best healthiest life and relationships will change with different seasons that we go through, and that’s ok, as long as we don’t put ourselves on the backburner in that new season.
I’m invigorated by the thought of introducing these conversations to the world, and hope listeners will feel inspired and invigorated as well.
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Welcome to The F.E.E.L Podcast
Let me introduce you to the F.E.E.L podcast, Finding Empowerment Embracing Layers. My name is Melissa Crook, and at the age of 51, I just now feel like I'm finally finding and identifying with my authentic self and what it takes to live that out daily. The hope of this podcast is that it will help women at any age, especially 20 somethings, prioritize self care without feelings of guilt or selfishness, set healthy boundaries in jobs, activities, and relationships, and deal with all emotions and feelings fully and in a healthy way so they don't get stuck in their body and produce physical and emotional problems down the road.
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